* He never mentioned the subject that was so hot last week, e.g., the discussion about the possible government takeover of private IRA/401Ks. [Sunday update: A caller specifically asked Brinker about this subject.]
Brinker replied: "We talked about it last weekend is the fact that comments are currently being accepted in connection with the Employee Retirement Income Security Act and the rules under the IRS code that determine how that act can be implemented going forward. Now what they're saying is that people suffered losses as a result of the bear market in 2008 in their retirement accounts. So they're raising the question, can we provide a government annuity -- a monthly check in return for the money that's in the IRA or 401K accounts that would protect people against that kind of volatility in the portfolio.....* He didn't mention the so-called "health-care summit" where the possibility of another $Trillion dollars+ being added to our national debt was discussed.
.....We have no information at this time on whether such a program will ever happen. And if it did happen, we have no indication yet as to whether it would be a voluntary program or a mandatory program. What we know is that they are collecting feedback from the citizenry now to see with reference to these employer-sponsored plans -- and this includes the IRAs too -- whether there is anything that will be done at the federal level in connection with these plans. Nothing has been proposed in Congress. Nothing has been voted on or signed into law. It's in the talking stages.....
.....Now there are people out there that are upset that people in the government are talking about this subject because they feel that this is private money. The money that you have in your IRA and 401K is private money, and they feel that nobody in Washington should be talking about voluntary or mandatory take-over of your IRA or 401K money. These people are upset. What we are doing right now is keeping our Moneytalk listeners informed that this is a subject that is in play.....
......I am making no changes in my IRA accounts based on this story at this time....It is too early; we don't know anything yet.....All we know is they are accepting opinions on this topic.....This all got started when President Christina Kirchner of Argentina confiscated pension money -- that's how it got started. "
* He never mentioned the stock market, and there were no calls about it.
The Dow rose 4.23 points on Friday to close at 10,325.26. For the week, down 0.7%.Honey EC: As I wrote last week, Brinker considers this recent market pullback a "cyclical bull market correction" and a "health-restoring" buying-opportunity. Brinker's model portfolios have been fully invested since March 2003. At their worst, the model portfolios lost over 50% of value in the 2008-2009 megabear market. According to the February issue of Marketimer, Brinker's current S&P 500 Index target range remains at 1200 to 1260.
The Nasdaq rose 4.04 points Friday to close at 2,238.26. Down 0.3% for the week.
The S&P 500 Index climbed 1.6 points on Friday to close at 1,104.49. For the week, down 0.4%.
Subjects Brinker covered on Saturday:
* The earthquake in Chile.
* The tsunami in Hawaii.
* Copper producers in Chile (largest in world) report no major damage and will be running again today.
* Interest rates remain very low.
* Bernanke made it very clear to congress that the economy is sluggish.
* Fannie Mae came back for a lot more money after reporting a loss of $16.3Billion for the last three months of last year. They are asking for $15.3Billion.
* Fannie Mae lost $137Billion over the previous 10 quarters.
* Fannie/Freddie guarantee/own 28% of the 11.8Trillion U.S. home market -- that is why they are bailed out.
* Banks depleted their capital in the big rush to repay TARP money and that is one reason why it is now more difficult for people to borrow money.
* The U.S. cannot continue to run double-digit deficits. If it continues, the rating agencies will downgrade the rating of U.S Treasury debt -- that will result in higher interest rates being paid. We have time to get our house in order, but Washington doesn't seem to have the will.
Several time during the program Saturday, Brinker hammered Henry Paulson because he turned down Brinker's invitation to be a guest on Moneytalk. Brinker said he was very "annoyed with the Treasury" because Paulson had refused his invitation and considered it "stupid" since Paulson was trying to promote his book.
Brinker speculated that Paulson probably refused because he did not want to face the "hard questions" that he might get from Brinker and the callers -- that Paulson had instead chosen to face "softball questions" from Charlie Rose. Brinker said that he had not read Paulson's book because of Paulson's refusal to make an appearance on Moneytalk.
As Brinker was talking about Paulson, a caller claimed that a University of Chicago alumni had put the blame for the "economic disaster" on the "Bush administrations reluctance to regulate." Brinker said that was surprising coming from that source. Brinker said: "It's quite obvious that it was a lassez faire government policy that was partly responsible for what happened."
Brinker said: "If you recall, Hank Paulson raised the TARP money under false pretenses....He said he was going to pay down toxic assets.....Instead of doing that, he turned it into a capital infusion item. I think it was probably a good idea to use it as a capital infusion item. After all, he already had the money. He had $700Billion to play with.... It provided a lot of liquidity into the economy."
[Sunday update: Brinker hammered Hank Paulson in each hour of the Sunday show, including in the guest-speaker hour. One might conclude that Brinker wants revenge against Paulson for declining his invitation to be on the show. Could the great and "fair" Bob Brinker be THAT petty, immature and hateful?]
Here's Henry Paulson's book:
Brinker's Saturday guest speaker was Andrew Ross Sorkin:
Brinker's Sunday guest-speaker was Lawrence McDonald who wrote a book about the collapse of Lehman Brothers.
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[For those who may not know: Bill Flanagan, Brinker's long-time guest host, passed away a couple of weeks ago. My sincere condolences to his family.]
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Kevin in Kalamazoo called in and asked Bob about the government taking over IRAs and 401k's. This subject was first discussed back in November of 2008 and Honey documented it here at the Bee hive. Here is what took place back then:
(Honey said:) I am going to cover the call from Ken in depth because the subject is very important and I know that some of you are concerned. I have included excerpts from Brinker's very interesting comments:
Caller Ken said he had met Brinker a few years back in San Jose at the Leukemia "Curathon" and had been a Moneytalk listener since 1986. He thanked Brinker for making his road to CRITICAL MASS very smooth. (Honeybee EC: That's about the time that I began listening to Moneytalk -- late 1986 or early 1987). Ken asked Brinker about the House of Representative plan involving George Miller and Jim McDermott to eliminate the 401K system and replace it with a mandatory federal program.....
Brinker said: "This basically started with hearings that were held by committees involving the politicians you mentioned....... And what they did, they had a witness come into the hearing from the New School in Manhattan, and her name was Theresa Ghillarducci. (Honeybee EC: Some are calling her the most dangerous woman in America.) Theresa's idea is to develop a program that would allow 401K members........to convert those accounts to government retirement programs. Now what that would involve, if you elected to convert your account, you would give all the money in your 401K to the United States government.......and in return for that, you would receive a guaranteed retirement payout for the rest of your life once you became eligible.......
......On the program........we suggested that one of reasons that you would invite Ms. Ghilarducci into your hearings to present this scheme would be that you think it's a pretty good idea. I think it's a reasonable leap of faith to think that some of the people, either chairing or on the committee, think this might be a pretty good idea, and that's the reason they invited Theresa Ghilarducci in to present her scheme -- and that's what it's all about."
Ken pointed out that even though they are saying it's not going to be mandatory, if it doesn't get much participation, they will turn around and make it mandatory -- that's scary.
Brinker responded: "I think that if it's not voluntary that you are absolutely right.......Not only would I oppose it vehemently, but I would expect that large numbers of 401K holders people across America would rise up in protest of a mandatory confiscation -- that's what it would be........If they made it mandatory that would mean that the United States Government.......would confiscate all assets in 401K and replace those assets with a guaranteed retirement payout. Now I think if they proposed that to be mandatory that would be a dramatic step toward basically a Socialist system in Washington."
Ken said that would be just like they did in Argentina.
Brinker replied: "Yeah, I wonder, and I don't know where Ms. Ghilarducci got her idea, but I noticed that her testimony occurred not that far away from El Presidente Christina in Argentina announcing that the government of Argentina -- and this just happened within the last several weeks -- has announced that they are confiscating all pension fund assets in the country of Argentina -- it is a government confiscation of funds."
Ken said that with all the programs that are currently being proposed, suddenly there is a $3Billion pot of money out there that they could go get, and that they have been saying we are all going to have our own little account in the Social Security Trust Fund, and we all know that is just a bunch of IOUs.
Brinker agreed that Ken was exactly right -- the Social Security "Trust Fund" is a pile of IOUs. He said this whole 401K thing does bear monitoring, but that he had not heard the president-elect give any opinion on it yet. Brinker said that he had done some research and the only connection he made was with the two House of Representative members and Ms. Ghilarducci -- but he found nothing coming out of the White House or White House-elect. Brinker repeated that he has no problem with it if it is voluntary, but mandatory is a different story.
Ken said that if they stop the tax breaks that you get with a 401Ks, and stop the tax-breaks to companies that do a match to 401Ks -- you are "out of luck."
Brinker told Ken that he thought there were two reasons that would make this an especially appealing option to members of congress. Firstly, if they make it mandatory, they could confiscate $trillions of dollars of 401K assets and put that money into the coffers of the United States Government. And Brinker said that you know "the government spends every penny it gets its hands on -- then they go out and borrow and spend more."
Brinker said: "I think there are members of congress who look at these $trillions of dollars of assets and they salivate at the thought of spending that money, which they would........The second thing that I think appeals to certain members of congress is if they establish a mandatory program, that would de facto eliminate your ability to deduct a portion of your income from your taxable income in the form of a 401K contribution. That means that would be an immediate increase in annual revenue for the federal government because you would no longer have that deduction. I think there are CERTAIN members of congress who salivate at the thought of spending that additional revenue."
(Honeybee EC: In my opinion, they will of course start out with a voluntary program to get their noses under the tent, but it won't stay that way. It's astonishing to read about the original Social Security Act and compare it to what it is now. Does anyone know what the original payroll tax withholding was?)